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Teaching Kids Forth – Anna Liberty
Article URL: https://gracefulliberty.com/articles/teaching-kids-forth/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49062700 Points: 5 # Comments: 0
gracefulliberty.comwho else covered thisWe have proof automation now
Article URL: https://www.imperialviolet.org/2026/07/26/zstd-lean.html Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49062291 Points: 5 # Comments: 0
imperialviolet.orgwho else covered thisMultiway Turing Machines (2021 pre-ai)
Article URL: https://bulletins.wolframphysics.org/2021/02/multiway-turing-machines/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49062259 Points: 8 # Comments: 1
bulletins.wolframphysics.orgwho else covered thisPlasma Tunnels Reveal How Dying Satellites Fall to Earth
Article URL: https://spectrum.ieee.org/space-debris-atmosphere-burn-up Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49062120 Points: 8 # Comments: 0
spectrum.ieee.orgwho else covered thisSimulate cassette tape audio profiles using FFmpeg
Article URL: https://github.com/AARomanov1985/Audio-Cassette-Simulation Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49061887 Points: 12 # Comments: 4
github.comwho else covered thisShow HN: Infinite Jigsaw Game
Had the idea forever, finally got it working. Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49061879 Points: 10 # Comments: 11
infinitejigsaw.comwho else covered thisWhat does GitHub's security team even do?
Article URL: https://orchidfiles.com/github-security-team/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49061769 Points: 70 # Comments: 15
orchidfiles.comwho else covered thisMaking sense of the panic over Chinese AI
On the latest episode of Equity, we discussed why Moonshot AI's Kimi seemed to panic Silicon Valley and Wall Street.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisAn Inside Look at the Relay Market Powering Token Resellers and Fraud
An Inside Look at the Relay Market Powering Token Resellers and Fraud Fascinating investigation by Matt Lenhard into the market that has grown up around reselling LLM tokens at a discount by pooling API keys from various sources. This looks to be mostly a thing in China. Resellers sell access to an…
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisShow HN: HART OS – an open-source AI OS built so frontier AI needs no datacenter
Article URL: https://github.com/hertz-ai/HARTOS Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49061015 Points: 7 # Comments: 1
github.comwho else covered thisThe Strongest El Niño Ever
Article URL: https://www.theclimatebrink.com/p/the-strongest-el-nino-ever Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060978 Points: 102 # Comments: 43
theclimatebrink.comwho else covered thisHow to Block Some of the Bots
Article URL: https://nochan.net/b/Internet-Crap/20260606-How-To-Block-Some-Of-The-Bots/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060945 Points: 13 # Comments: 10
nochan.netwho else covered thisDecker
Article URL: https://beyondloom.com/decker/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060856 Points: 34 # Comments: 5
beyondloom.comwho else covered thisIntroduction to Data-Oriented Design [pdf]
Article URL: https://www.gamedevs.org/uploads/introduction-to-data-oriented-design.pdf Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060724 Points: 18 # Comments: 4
gamedevs.orgwho else covered thisIt's not empowering to hand off the details
Article URL: https://davidnicholaswilliams.com/its-not-empowering-to-hand-off-the-details/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060592 Points: 86 # Comments: 29
davidnicholaswilliams.comwho else covered thisHow AST-grep Rewrote Tree-sitter in Rust and Made It 30% Faster
Article URL: https://astgrep.com/blog/tree-sitter-rust-rewrite Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060509 Points: 20 # Comments: 1
astgrep.comwho else covered thisFrench firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time
Article URL: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260726-french-firefighters-face-pyrocumulonimbus-for-first-time Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060495 Points: 54 # Comments: 23
france24.comwho else covered thisHow to Write English Prose
Article URL: https://thelampmagazine.com/blog/how-to-write-english-prose Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060295 Points: 26 # Comments: 7
thelampmagazine.comwho else covered thisUsing ThinkPad T480 as a mobile phone
Article URL: https://grego.site/blog/thinkphone Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49059977 Points: 26 # Comments: 9
grego.sitewho else covered thisHugging Face CEO calls for ‘radical transparency’ after ‘unprecedented’ OpenAI hack
"The first autonomous agent cyberattack is an unprecedented event. It deserves an unprecedented response!"
Show HN: CheapSecurity – Lightweight, Self-Hosted CCTV for Linux SBCs
Article URL: https://github.com/gmrandazzo/CheapSecurity Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49059398 Points: 50 # Comments: 12
github.comwho else covered thisDesign is compromise
Article URL: https://stephango.com/design-is-compromise Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49059367 Points: 105 # Comments: 49
stephango.comwho else covered thisThe relay market powering token resellers and fraud
Article URL: https://vectoral.com/blog/token-relay-market Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49058993 Points: 93 # Comments: 50
vectoral.comwho else covered thisLondon Gatwick has launched a robotic airport parking service
Article URL: https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/gatwick-airport-robotic-parking-stanley-robotics/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49058669 Points: 229 # Comments: 174
aerospaceglobalnews.comwho else covered thisThe New AI Superpowers: Focus and Followthrough
Article URL: https://www.rickmanelius.com/p/the-new-ai-superpowers-focus-and Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49057877 Points: 72 # Comments: 27
rickmanelius.comwho else covered thisShow HN: Reverse Minesweeper
Article URL: https://sunflowersgame.com/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49057666 Points: 80 # Comments: 25
sunflowersgame.comwho else covered thisGoogle Discloses $94.1B in SpaceX Stock, Marking 6% Stake
Article URL: https://www.wsj.com/tech/google-discloses-94-1-billion-in-spacex-stock-marking-6-stake-91655d7c Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49057574 Points: 267 # Comments: 208
wsj.comwho else covered thisGo Analysis Framework: modular static analysis by go team
Article URL: https://pkg.go.dev/golang.org/x/tools/go/analysis Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49057398 Points: 147 # Comments: 24
pkg.go.devwho else covered thisHtmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy
Article URL: https://swag.htmx.org/en-cad/products/htmx-4-the-game Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49057241 Points: 207 # Comments: 68
swag.htmx.orgwho else covered thisKill The Cookie Banner
Article URL: https://killthecookiebanner.eu/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49057175 Points: 603 # Comments: 288
killthecookiebanner.euwho else covered thisTerence Tao: Mathematics in the Age of AI [pdf]
Article URL: https://teorth.github.io/tao-web/slides/age-of-ai-icm-2026.pdf Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49056620 Points: 73 # Comments: 32
teorth.github.iowho else covered thisRuff v0.16.0 – Significant new updates – 413 default rules up from 59
Article URL: https://astral.sh/blog/ruff-v0.16.0 Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49056112 Points: 323 # Comments: 203
astral.shwho else covered thisMonday.com is the latest tech company to blame AI for layoffs — here are 20 others
A running look — in reverse chronological order — at the bigger tech companies that have announced significant layoffs this year with AI as a stated factor.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisRuff v0.16.0
Ruff v0.16.0 Astral shipped a significant new version of their Ruff Python linting tool a few days ago on July 23rd. I noticed today because my various CI jobs all started failing thanks to new default Ruff checks and my unpinned "ruff" dev dependency. From Brent Westbrook's announcement post: Ruff…
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisLibrarians are hosting viral ‘Avoiding AI’ workshops for people who are fed up with Big Tech
At libraries around the country, "Avoiding AI" workshops have elicited unprecedented demand.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisOne fallen power line exposed a growing AI data center problem. Here’s how to fix it.
A close call in Northern Virginia revealed just how poorly data centers respond to grid disruptions. Here's how to fix the problem.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisQuoting Boris Cherny
More than any of these eval scores, what is most exciting to me is something else: Opus 5 is our least prompt injectable model yet. It is a bit buried in the system card, but across PI evals and red teaming, Opus 5 is very hard to prompt inject successfully. — Boris Cherny , here's that…
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisI tried out OpenAI’s new AI keypad — which will be fun for some coders and slightly mystifying to everyone else
OpenAI's fancy new AI keypad will be a lot of fun for some, while many others are probably not going to touch it.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisIntroducing Claude Opus 5
Introducing Claude Opus 5 I've been offline kayaking with sea otters for much of today so I haven't had a chance to put Anthropic's new model Claude Opus 5 through its paces yet. The buzz is positive, and Anthropic's description of it as a "thoughtful and proactive model that comes close to the…
Prentis, new AI lab co-founded by Reid Hoffman, Mark Pincus in talks to raise $100M
The neolab is betting that automating routine computer tasks will soon outpace coding as AI's biggest use case.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisMidjourney bought the astrology app Co-Star
Midjourney, which has gone from generating AI cat images to full-body ultrasound scans, is getting into a new field: astrology. The AI startup announced on Thursday that it has acquired the personalized astrology app Co-Star, as reported earlier by Bloomberg. Co-Star is a free app that offers daily…
Why Cognition bought Poke: AI personality is becoming a competitive advantage
The acquisition brings Poke’s conversational style and interaction model to Cognition’s coding agent Devin, reflecting a growing belief that how AI assistants interact with users is as important as the models powering them.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisYou can’t ignore Google Zero anymore
The web and Google once had a deal: Google collects data and indexes webpages and in exchange sends oceans of traffic to websites. The deal wasn't perfect and certainly made Google more money than it made the websites, but it worked for a long time. Now, however, the deal seems to be dead. And the…
theverge.comwho else covered thisMeta is making its AI chatbot more like an assistant
Meta is upgrading its AI chatbot with new productivity features in a bid to compete with rivals like Gemini, ChatGPT, and Claude. The update will allow Meta AI to tap into your calendar to help you plan events and generate daily briefings, as well as perform in-depth research that you can steer as…
Anthropic releases Opus 5 with ‘close’ to Fable 5’s capabilities
Weeks after Anthropic's latest toe-to-toe with the US government, and days after an OpenAI security incident that dominated tech industry discussions, Anthropic on Thursday released its newest model, Claude Opus 5. The company said in a release that Opus 5 "comes close to the capabilities of Claude…
Anthropic launches Opus 5
Opus 5 will be both cheaper and less restrictive than Fable, likely making it preferable in most use cases.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisAs US weighs response to Chinese AI, industry urges against broad open-weight restrictions
AI companies, including Nvidia and Mistral, urge policymakers to avoid broad restrictions on open-weight AI models as Washington debates responses to Chinese AI and alleged model distillation.
Bluesky’s AI assistant Attie expands into an open social research tool
Users can now ask Attie questions about news, trends, and conversations on Bluesky and other apps on the AT Protocol.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisMidjourney acquired the astrology app Co-Star
The AI lab Midjourney continues to expand its purview beyond image and video generation.
The tech-broification of American science has officially begun
The Trump administration unveiled the first "Genesis Mission" grants on Thursday, directing $5 billion toward hundreds of AI-driven science projects in an effort the White House has described as "comparable in urgency and ambition to the Manhattan Project." At roughly the same time, Trump's science…
theverge.comwho else covered this‘AI communism’, rogue models, and the why Kimi K3 spooked Wall Street
Chinese AI lab Moonshot’s open model Kimi went viral this week for reasons that had less to do with the model itself and more to do with how the U.S. AI industry reacted to it. Meanwhile, an unreleased OpenAI model wandered outside its test environment and ended up connected to…
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisOpenAI’s new voice mode makes it to the ChatGPT desktop app
ChatGPT Voice on desktop can work with both ChatGPT Work and Codex to complete tasks and control agents.
How AI guardrails are impeding the work of offensive cybersecurity researchers
We spoke with several cybersecurity researchers, who look for unknown vulnerabilities and develop tools to exploit them, about how OpenAI’s and Anthropic’s guardrails affect their work.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisThe first known runaway AI agent - or a very bad marketing stunt?
The first known runaway AI agent - or a very bad marketing stunt? Martin Alderson's commentary on the OpenAI accidental cyberattack against Hugging Face includes a couple of details I hadn't considered. First, Hugging Face offers a truly rich target if you're trying to find potential…
Alexa Plus is getting an AI update to handle more complicated instructions
Amazon is launching an update to its Alexa Plus assistant that will allow it to connect to smart home devices in new ways. With the update, which is currently in preview, Alexa Plus can link up with tech from Bosch, Delta, Ecovacs, iRobot, Yale Home, Whirlpool, Tapo, Eufy, and others, while…
theverge.comwho else covered thisAMD takes on Nvidia with its Helios AI rack-scale system
AMD is challenging its chipmaker rival with a new rack-scale system that will start shipping to customers later this year.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisClaude’s voice mode is now available for Opus and Sonnet
Until now, voice mode has only been available on Claude Haiku, Anthropic's faster but less powerful model. Now the company is making its Opus and Sonnet models available in voice mode, and extending its reach into apps like Gmail, Slack, and Canva. When Anthropic launched voice mode last year, it…
Anthropic updates Claude voice mode with more capable models
Claude's new voice model will let you reschedule your meeting or draft an email.
AegisAI, founded by former Google security execs, lands $36M to stop AI-driven spear phishing
AegisAI co-founders developed AI agents that quickly analyze each message as a human would, paying attention to small anomalies that even the most elaborate checklist wouldn’t catch.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisPatreon is laying off 20 percent of workers
Patreon is laying off 20 percent of its workers, or around 93 employees, as reported earlier by 404 Media. In a memo to employees, Patreon CEO Jack Conte writes that the company isn't making these changes "because we believe AI replaces humans," but says AI has "fundamentally transformed the tech…
theverge.comwho else covered thisRunway launches AI model router as generative media gets crowded
The Media Router is a tool that automatically selects the best image, video, or audio generation model for a request based on whether a developer prioritizes quality, speed or cost.
OpenAI is making big claims as it rolls out ChatGPT Health to everyone
OpenAI is rolling out ChatGPT Health to everyone in the US on Thursday, allowing more people to connect their medical records and health-tracking information to the chatbot. During a briefing, Ashley Alexander, OpenAI's vice president of health product, says the company's models "are now capable of…
OpenAI makes ChatGPT Health available to all US users
Users can also integrate their personal data from services like Apple Health, Function, and MyFitnessPal.
Meta launched a new AI optimism ad set to a song about human extinction
David Bowie's song "Five Years," which Meta used in a supposedly inspiring advertisement, is about humans learning that they have five years left to live before the apocalypse.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisAI chip startup Etched defies skeptics, hits $10.3B valuation from big-name investors
Etched, founded by three Harvard dropouts, has created new chips and memory components that speed up inference on any AI model -- no GPUs required, it says.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisNvidia is sending GPUs to the moon
If there's a place in the universe without GPUs, Nvidia is sending them there.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisGoogle’s Gemini nears billion-user milestone
Gemini had over 750 million monthly users in February.
Lawmakers prepare bill requiring AI ‘kill switch’
Lawmakers are preparing to introduce an "AI Kill Switch Act" that would require AI companies to shut down or throttle their systems on orders from the Department of Homeland Security, according to a report from Politico. Reps. Ted Lieu (D-CA) and Nathaniel Moran (R-TX) are expected to introduce the…
theverge.comwho else covered thisHow AI helps scientists design the next generation of medicines
Designing and developing a new medicine is an expensive, failure-prone scientific challenge. A new drug can take many years to develop, at the cost of a significant investment. And even then, most possible candidates never reach the patient. For biologic medicines, therapies made from engineered…
technologyreview.comwho else covered thisExperts say exploiting Anthropic’s Fable isn’t how Kimi K3 got so good
"I don't think you get a model this strong and this quickly on the heels of Fable doing strictly distillation," one expert told TechCrunch.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisServiceNow bets $40 million on Indian banking software specialist to expand its financial services push
ServiceNow's investment gives BusinessNext a strategic partner to expand its AI-powered banking software globally.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisQuoting Seth Larson
The Python Package Index (PyPI) now rejects new files being uploaded to releases that are older than 14 days. This restriction was put in place to prevent old and long-stable releases from being poisoned in case publishing tokens or workflows of PyPI projects were compromised. As far as we are…
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisQuoting Thomas Ptacek
I genuinely believe that if you took an open weights model from 2025 and built a pentest harness for it, it could do this kind of sandbox escape and scan/hack in most networks. This is only surprising because you assume OpenAI has sounder sandboxes. — Thomas Ptacek , doesn't think this even…
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisOpenAI’s accidental cyberattack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened
This story is wild. The short version: OpenAI were running a cybersecurity test against an unreleased model, with the model's guardrail features turned off. Rather than solve the test, the model broke its way out of OpenAI's sandbox, then found exploits to break in to Hugging Face, all so it could…
After shocking quarter, IBM insists that AI isn’t killing the mainframe
After IBM's stock crashed last week on warnings of poor mainframe sales, the CEO explained that AI wrecked corporate hardware budget, temporarily.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisAre AI labs pelicanmaxxing?
Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing? Excellent piece of work by Dylan Castillo, who took a deep-dive into the frequently pondered question of whether the AI labs have been deliberately training models to draw pelicans riding bicycles in response to my deeply unscientific benchmark . I've been randomly…
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisGoogle justifies its massive AI spending with a booming cloud business
Google's cloud business is thriving, as companies adopting its AI and AI infrastructure services help the tech giant to report record profits.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisTreasury threatens sanctions after White House claims Moonshot distilled Anthropic’s Fable
The episode has also intensified a broader debate in Washington over the influx of Chinese open models.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisHow OpenAI’s human mistake led to the AI-powered hack on Hugging Face
OpenAI made a mistake setting up what it called a “highly isolated” testing environment and sandbox. According to cybersecurity experts, that human mistake is what made the AI-powered attack on Hugging Face possible.
Travis Kalanick’s robotics company raises $1.7B, led by a16z
Uber is also investing in Travis Kalanick's company Atoms, which has made gauzy claims about using industrial AI to modernize the world.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisYope raises $12.3M to build a private social network without algorithms or ads
Yope, a fast-growing social app focused on private groups of friends and family, has raised $12.3 million in seed funding. Instead of chasing creators and algorithmic feeds, the startup is betting that the future of social networking lies in small, private communities powered by messaging, photo…
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisMonday.com lays off hundreds to focus on AI
The company said it is reducing its headcount by 20%, or about 630 staff, to "support a leaner, more focused operating model" as it focuses on its AI Work Platform.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisArcee, a US open source AI lab, says Chinese models are not inherently dangerous
As Chinese AI models grow in capability and popularity among U.S. companies, the arguing over what should be done about them has reached a fever pitch.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisSubstack’s new tool tells you who’s been writing their newsletters with AI
Substack is giving readers a way to estimate how much of a newsletter was written by AI, signaling a broader shift toward transparency around AI-assisted content.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisOpenAI’s AI spending spree has ballooned to $750B
OpenAI will spend the equivalent of Sweden's GDP on infrastructure through 2030.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisOrchestrions
San Francisco tip: it only costs around $15 ($10 in quarters plus a $5 bill for the self-playing violin) to activate every single Orchestrion in Musée Mécanique . And because most people are bad at allocating their funds you may well be the ONLY person activating the Orchestrions, which means you…
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisMenlo Ventures’ Matt Murphy explains what AI startups founders must do differently
Anthropic leaped to a $47 billion revenue run rate by May, compared to $9 billion in 2025. It’s the kind of growth that Menlo Ventures’ Matt Murphy says he’s never seen in 25 years of investing, not in the internet wave, not in mobile, not in the first cloud boom. Menlo led Anthropic’s $500M Series…
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisThe browser wars aren’t about search anymore — here are the best alternatives to Chrome and Safari
We’ve compiled an overview of some of the top alternative browsers available today aiming to challenge Chrome and Safari.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisPassionfroot raises $15M to expand its B2B creator marketplace to the US
Passionfroot, a German startup building a marketplace connecting B2B creators with brands, has raised $15M in a Series A round led by Insight Partners.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisGlow emerges from stealth at $1.2B valuation to challenge endpoint security in the AI era
Glow is targeting a new class of endpoint risks created by the rapid adoption of AI agents and developer tools inside enterprises.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisSynthesia’s AI training platform is moving beyond videos into live coaching
Synthesia launched AI Roleplay Sessions, an interactive enterprise training platform where employees practice workplace conversations with AI avatars that provide feedback, scoring, and analytics to help companies measure training effectiveness.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisThe Anthropic-Physical Intelligence rumor roiling AI Twitter
Anthropic and OpenAI's aggressive 2026 acquisition sprees set the stage for a weekend rumor.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisMeta is testing an AI bedtime story app for people with no imagination
At last, a tech company has found a way to outsource humanity's oldest pastime: using our imaginations.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisOpenAI says Hugging Face was breached by its pre-release models
OpenAI has come forward to claim responsibility for the Hugging Face breach, saying it was the result of internal testing gone awry.
California Sea Lion
California Sea Lion, in San Francisco County, US, CA We took some visiting family to Pier 39 to see the sea lions. They're somehow always even more fun than I remember them being last time. Tags: san-francisco , wildlife
simonwillison.netwho else covered thisJack Dorsey is taking on Slack with Buzz, a group chat platform for teams and their AI agents
Buzz is a group chat platform for the workplace that puts humans and their AI agents in the same conversation.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisAI and the rise of the universal entertainment app
Over the past decade, streaming platforms competed by dominating individual formats like music, video, podcasts, or audiobooks. Now, as AI makes it easier to create, organize, and recommend content, those distinctions are fading, pushing companies like Spotify, Netflix, YouTube, and TikTok to…
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisData centers expected to use 4x more electricity by 2035
New data centers built through 2033 could consume as much electricity as India uses today.
techcrunch.comwho else covered thisGoogle releases three new Gemini models — but no 3.5 Pro
Google released Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and Flash Cyber, but the continued absence of Gemini 3.5 Pro raises fresh questions about its AI strategy.
US threatens sanctions against Chinese AI models over IP theft
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said the U.S. could sanction Chinese open AI models over alleged IP theft, expanding the Trump administration's campaign to slow China's AI advances.
techcrunch.comwho else covered this